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Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 23:12:16 EST
From: David A Whittemore <del[at]>
Subject: Southern Mark E. Smith

> ae906[at] (Stephen Larsen
> I don't believe when Fishy says that "Southern Mark Smith" isn't a
> reference to Mark E. Smith. It's his first single.

on the WWW server see
<a href="/letters/93Oct19/fall.html">the following document</a>
where pat talked about this:

* We put out the single Southern Mark Smith in the
* autumn of 1983. The Fall's C.R.E.E.P., with Pat,
* Trip Dispenser on the b-side, came out about the
* same time. Therefore, I feel that it must have been
* recorded some time BEFORE the Fall could have
* heard our single. Our bassist at the time (and on the
* single) was none other than Rolo (woodentops)
* McGinty. Accordingly, the combination of the Fall title
* and Smith's strangled cries of "McGinty!" on the
* record did make for rather spooky listening, but I
* believe it's just a co-incidence. A little later we
* received a letter from The Fall, from which we
* gathered that they dug our record, and later we did
* quite a few dates supporting them.

if pat told someone that he was *not* refering to Mr Fall,
he was probably not being truthful.